DECEMBER MEETING DATE©© © ©ooooo© The meeting will be held in the Safety Room* upstairs in the Santa Fe depot at Kettner & Broadway* downtow San Diego© The meeting will start at 8:00 PM on MONDAY* DECEMBER 7* 1959- society business will be taken care of followed by the monthly program© Our 3rd VP Mro Snyder has not notified the Newsletter of the exact nature of this months program* however we will surely have some movies of the Perris trip and some slides tooo Members are welcome to bring such items for showing at the December meeting© Projector and needed equip- ment will be on hand© The results of the election will be announced© (Don8t forget to vote and mail to society not later then Dec© 1st deadline©) Refreshments will be served and there itfill bo a raffle with some nice prises© JIS&d-h REMEMBER- RHSofSD DECEMBER MEETING- MONDAY* DECEMBER 7 a 1959- 8s00 PoMo- 1HBRE "SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EXPRESS* CALIFORNIA SOUTHERN FLYER"©©©o©oo The name didnQt really matter from all accounts of past history., it seems the line had several names over the years©©©©©©at any rate* our "California Sou thern Flyer" to Perris on Sunday* November 15th was a real big success© Foi* those of you that were unable to go* you missed a terrific trip and quite an eyeful of old time cars of the Horseless Carriage Club* streetcars* work cars* inter-urban cars and a swell meal© The one sad fact is that the society took a heavy financial loss on the Perris trip© This was caused by several facts., very poor newspaper publicity when we should have had it* then at the last minute th© papers wore full of news of th© trip— but to late for most people© This newspaper publicity Is what sells trip of this nature* we must have it to come out financially on a trip* to those that were in charge of such news items reaching the papers* we regret to say it* but they lot uq down.© On future tripss let ue not have it happen again© On the brighter aide* the trip was very definitely a success for those that were aboard© The Santa Fe gave us some very good running speeds* up in the 90 MPH zone© WE SET A RECORD FOR A FAN TRIP T00©ooool}0 minutes EARLY at PerrisRin The busses weren9t ready for us* the food was still cooking?, VA As all good trips do* we left LATE* almost a half hour late* we were late at Del Mar* late at Oceanside- then a photo stop north of Oceanside* which takes time toOoooooo&arrival at San Clementes ON TIME* Santa Anas ON TIME© That old diesel got up and moved right along north of Oceanside* we had some very fast running on all sections of track that allowed ito Coming homo from Perris on the return trip* we left Perris and stopped for a photo stop in Bo^ Springs Canyon*(unscheduled) viith some mighty fast running* we arrived in San Diego at 7:15 PoMo instead of 8:00 P©MO as advertised© Those old heavy weight cars ride nice in the light of the moon at 70 to 90 MPHoo©©©©anyway* for a change a fan trip got home EARLYHH Some fast work by Corky Thomson and Tommy Mann at the end of the trip and RHSofSD now has the big drum head used on the back of the train proclaiming "California Southern Flyer" (Santa Fe donated it* but we did the quioky job of removing it from the rear before the train returned to LoA©) ; JinoK®«BWx.’Kov<.*>x«i«UNrri^r-.'.-- • - ■•■ • •—•—•..*• «i.«. NOVEMBER MEETING NOTES*9****« , , n .. ,.. Meeting of Monday, Nov* 2, 1959 came to order at b:JO v Jack Stodelle took over in the absence of Pres* McCleary, who was Fred Reif gave the report on the nominating committee result For the office of President- Tommy Mann, 1st V«P«-» Jackbtoc’elle, Roland Anderson, 3^d V*P*« Bill Snyder, Recording Secretary-- ,>arb Treasurer- Fred Finke, Corresponding Secretary- Gorky Thomson, jjx ector- Wally Duthie* Nominations were then opened for jocioty Zis nominees were: Dick Pennick and Mr* & Mrs* Umbarger( jointly) * Dal Ic o-Pres i dent illo s. as follows 2nd VePo- :.ra Thomson, cursion Dir- torian, the lots to be mailed to members* Bill Morrison reported on the 5k and pastes uveu/.n. a partially restored window frame* He said work sessions are hold on batvuiay aftorncons and on Sunday mornings* Jack Stodelle said that the 5k would lav:; to bs moved x'rpn the frog farm, but not for another 6 to 9 months.-. To?::y anna reported that j?o has wheels for building trucks for the 5k but \:c nevi 95- las... of steel to build th© side frames* Cost of building the durmy trucks would be about 120'.).> This brought up the subject of whether the 5k should bo operating or dummy-. battery powered, truck powered, ota* Many ideas were awebangod on use of 5k <> Discussion of the ear 5k future were tabled until newt meetingc Chuck Gerdes exhibited a full-’Scalc drawing of ; . rwyke emblem to be used as a token to donors to a possible fund drive for 5k* i’ric banders suggested that the ultimate goal, with respect to car 5k^ should bo defined, possibly at a board meeting or a special meeting* Roy Miller reported discontinuance of the khtts lino in on the ’'E;A, mentioned the Long Beach lino, still in use* and many lira a if . wan Traneis7 a* It is possible the Long Beach line may got light weigh3 cars, if available* Bill Mor?? is on won the raffle(railroad 'print tie), refreshments serve-ch lifter two wbigM trips, the spring journey on the .Conor a Baja California and the trip to Perris, we have discovered some weak spots in our trip operations* Excursion Directory Wally Duthie has done very well with those trips*0*BUT, this sort of thing is to big for one sis.n< Wally has had outside help but not as much as he needso The Perris trip should have been a sell cut. but instead wo lost money* Cur smaller trips in the past have all worked out pretty well? but when you gc for limits of IhOO people,- we need a good active excursion committee* Its a big job and .requires plenty of holo* The Newsletter had a serious talk with Wally after the Perris trip, he agrees on the need for a coi.2mi.ttee * It would appear that Wally about went out of his mind with his own business establishment, calls to £anta Fo- ticket sales, etc* There were others helping, but it was not organised properly, one person not wishing to .step into someone elses shoes if the job wasn’t going just right* The- coming trip over the Sonora Baja Califorria out of Mexicali will be handled by a six man committee, plus the excursion director^ Wo hope to iron out all the past problems and v.-iake all future tripe easier on all eoncernecu Future trips will most definitely have at least 00.0 committeeman on each car, as quid©, informatioii booth, yuard. etc* Cur trips take i^oople that are not used to rail travel, photo stops- etco, they need help to m?J:e their trip enjoyable and to got the fi?.ll benefit of photo stops, etc* Those things will all be taken care of, and future RESofk') trips will be bigger and betterc' Inoidontly, the date for-the Mexicali tri has boon rat for MARCH 20, I960* > q 0«a start planning now for the t;;i7) c e <, „ * * o Our trJ.p to Perris on Sunday- November 15, 1959 nas more of a. historic trip then we had intended it to boo Originally we had set the date for 11/3/59 but changed it to the 15th because of tho P«RoSa trip to San Diego on the 8th0 From the DISPATCHER, issue 29 ■> He read that tho first train over the Calif« Southez’n(first passenger train with through cars from Kansas City) left tho town of Barstow on SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 15j 1885> on that sumo day an eastbound passonger train left National City., Those two trains may have mot somewhere around Perris or Temecula, be that as it r.ayo o o <> ®we ran our trip over these historic old railroads on the same date many years later0 Have you all thoroughly read is.sue 29 of the Dispatcher? V.re found it quite interesting, good pictures and a very good story by Dick Dodge & Gads, they really had a number of different rail lines in the territory we covered, and they renamed them as often as they went broke, 7/.| years later the PJISofSD went broke running a train on those same linos, historic isn’t it? NOMINATIONS AND THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS# It 13 sad that w® didn’t gat more nominations from the membership, the election is hardly an election without anyone running against anyone* The only real vote is for Historians the rest is cut and dried, 0 0 how about some write in votes, lets make an election out of it# Unfortunately, several of the present officers wore not contacted by the nominating committee, had they boon. they would not bo running again- many of the present officers de not feel it right to continue in office, they feel it should be shared by a greater number of the members„ True, they have done a good job and probably will continue to do so, but still, wo don’t want to got in a rut with"the same governing group, year after year* Those are just some suggestions, from present officers end from members, they should have been in the form of nominations a month ago, but thats the way we all are, we wait and then decide it would have been a good idea for so and so to run for this or that of flee, 0 ««.».#* here aro a few could have boons, or if you car® to#««0»WRITE IN For President, wo have Tommy Mann nominated- what about Jack Stodolle or Dick Pennick or fir* Calkins? (what about McCleary? bad enough Mac?) For 1st V»P«, Jack Stodolle is up- we could have McCleary, Pennick, Calkins. Corky, Junghans. or Snydsr, just to name a few* For 2nd V»P#S Roland Anderson has been nominated(Andy doesn’t fool he has time for this job, but,,#*) anyway, how about Eex Cuttell, Pennick, Calkins, Morrison, Corky. McCleary, just to name a -few. For 3rd V.P0, Bill Snyder is up,oo shut there are a few others eligible-® Stodolle, Corky, Calkins, Kingston, Pennick* For treasurer, Fred Finkea,»0»«wo don’t know of anyone else that can do any better, but if you think someone can, writ© ’em in. Recording Secretary, Barbara Thomson#*oc#there are others that can write. McCleary, Stodell®, Pennick, Calkins, Duthie., Farwell* Corresponding Secretary, Corky Thomson#,c, * Ohow about McCleary, Stodolle, or any of the above names, or a choice of you? own* THE POINT IS THIS*,,,if you feol any of th® above names would fit into tho various offices, write them in# Remember too, 1st VP is in charge of Pres* office if absent, handles general publicity & fair stuff, ,„#2nd VP is in charge of restoration and equipment,,*633rd VP is program man, for movies, etc,., at”" the mootings, refreshments too* We don’t ca.ro how you vote or for which office, EuT VOTE* *, „ dated, not later then midnight, December 1. 19^9* MOST OF XOCT yqB BAILOT ENCLOSED WITH THIS ISSUE, SOME HAVE BEEN MAWTJ TO I LIKE WOWp MAN, NEW MEMBERS©oc©ooo _ 3 The Perris trip signed up many now members 9 and we are always glad to see the membership grow© The following is a list of new membersa & few may have been mentioned last month?the bulk of them are all from the 15th trips Dale Pyle? .3683 Albatross St©? SODO 3 « M©R© Terkelson? 211$ Lugo St©? San Bernardino <=> FOH© Willard? 3725 Oceanfront Walk? S0Do 8 =» Roger and Betty Shappee?RTo 19 Box 553c Escondido « John and Mary Joseph? 2167 Reed Stop SODO 9 FoWo Calvert? 6I4OI4 Richard Stop S©D© 15 ® Wendal and Ann Byers? 3068 Howard Ave©? S0D0 4 « F0C0 Patterson? 51)02 Waring Road? SOD© « George Mo Baker? 1)298 Hermosa. Way? S©DO 3 ° Harold Dowell? 26?6 Penrose Stop SoD© ® Charles Seitz? .3786 Van Dyke? S©D© 5 = Jim 0flBrian? 1620 7th Stop S©D© ® Bernie Weleh? 111|5 28th Stop S0D0 «> R0N0 Noonan? Sros 1)615 Eel Mont©? SOD© 7 ~ RON© Noonan? Jr©? U615 Del Monte? S©DC 7 ~ Don Taylor? Ij6h2 Iowa St©? SoD© 16 « Anthony Kebxa? 22J8J National Ave©? S©D© - T0G© Lindsay? 1)776 Mt© Etna* S©DO 1? ~ Frank M© Strang? 3670 Keating Stop S©DO 1 «> Arden Bergquist? 915 Klish Way? Del Mar© He wlah all the new members a very pleacant WELCOME to the RHSofSD© All tlWJ above names are officially I960 m.gmbersooocolfeicsh brings up renewals for you older members«««>«»««I960 dues are now payable to the treasurer© Our year officially ends on December 31? 1959" 1959 dues ©over your membership until M^roh? so start sending in those I960 dues? $2 ©50 fnz® single membership or $3o50 for family memberships0 Please note? you da not have to stay down to th&se amounts? members are welcome to pay any amount over the regular dues? all due& paid ovex* the regular amount go into th© treasury for restoration of equipment? st©o DONATIONS are welooms? any amount will do? it all helps to keep the RHSofSD going© Actually our due© are quite low? so anyone that feels can afford a little more Xs welcome to do aoo (just got a notice of a n^w group up north? $6©00 per year} Sc start sending in your I960 due 3? sign up a nw member? and ©end your donations to 2 RAILWAY HISTORICAL SOCIETY of SAN DIEGO? INCop P0O0 BOX 9351? SAN DIEGO 9<> CALIFORNIAo FRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEARoo00000000 It hardly seems like the time to say that^ Christmas is still a month ay5 but it is the last time we will have a ©hences other then at the De©c efcingoooooSo Mex’ry Christmas to you ail and a ^ery Happy Now Year from al officers of RHScfSD and the Newslettero SCENIC HISTORIC POST CARDSooo000000 Thr^e views in color are available frem the RHSofSD to members at a . r a fee.9 10/ for the three ©ax*d3o Regular pri©e is 20/ but for our own,, we sre cutting prices in haX^ so order a set of cards todayall cards ordered b-tf members will ba enclosed with the next Newsletter due to bo deliveredo The cards ares lo double header >on passenger train in Carriso Gorge0 D.&AoBo steam power(#101|) crossing big timber trostley. 2O downtown San Diegc •^11 h uOO class and PCC #528 on Broadway^ Jo a scenic view of the Carriso Gorge and th® S0D0&A0E0 tracks9 trestles9 etco Members may order cards from the ..• ocL;?c,y post office addres^o Cards are also available at 20/ par set from She DISPATGHER9 ?861 Normal Aveop La Mesap Califo Funds will aid publishing future issues of the Dispatcher© TRIPS PLANNEDoooocoooooo It Is still t.b# deaix^e of some of the members to have some weekend hikee ^Icng old railroad right of way and present trackage.9 in and near San. Die^o© ^uch ideas ha van" t worked outp bu.fe maybe t>wy Ju$t weron°t ;pvblJrJ^ed :?/■■■■•.>. tickets care o.f Barney Root, 180 J St©, San Bernardino or l|08 S© Spring St©? L«A© 13 (room ^16? Have you sent a donation for S.,P© 1765= ths old steamer that the Mt© Rubidoux Chapter is saving©©o©to operate VU Moro information can be had from the chapter, 180 J St©, San Bernardino© Saw all kinds of old steamers in parks hero there and everywhere in this big state of ours, sad to see them but good, would rather see them on the head end of a train^ in act ion.. They aro saved ? that is the important thing 0 SnPo is still playing games with paint and letterings saw just about evei4y style they have tried on our trip from one ©nd of the state to the othero On passenger cars§ th© latest we saw was a real narrow band of red5 silver car5 black letterings almost like Sunset colors but just different enough to noticec In spite of the steel strike5 there were lots of freight trains everyi^here^ helpers too5 in the mountainsc. The all mighty diesel still gives way to the loads when they come to the hills $ Tehachapi had helpers^ Cajon had helpers*) Donner had helpers^ the Cascades had helpers.0 Western Pacific had 5 units on the hm<3. end<5. shorter train? SoPo&So dicdols operatin.g d.ovm to Klamath Falls in Oregon^ S^Po is piggybacking loaded auto highway te^amaports? saw several loads of new Chevrolets# loaded on conventional, highway trailers? then loaded on big flat ears? makes quite a sighto All auto loads seen whre going^norbho the cable cars in San Francisco-, still a treat as always9 still as many people jammed on them? every run© The big cars are still a wonderful sight to see? PCC cai^s going dovm Market Street? on© right behind another^o00 they really take you through the Twin Peaks Tunnel too? fast and efficlento On most old trolley lines that have been abandoned? rather then use the stink buggies? nice quiet electric coaches?, those trolley busses really get around? in place of th© present busses here in San Diego? the trolley bus would have been very quiet and odorless? my hat is off to San Francisco for sa,v,lng tho streetcars and using trolley busses0ooooooSoPo l|29l} looks real nice in the po-rk next to the C.-.Po Huntington at Sacramento depotooooothats a real rare combination? that little kettle along side the huge L^'8-8-2 cab in x'ronto Chased the Sierra Railroad on Sunday? (tot© 25th after watching it wind uo the day after a trip on Saterday00o ©after dark with steam turbo generator sounding Tzery wondorful©©0©Sunday? we followed the fan trip by highway, took ■ fyjy& good running shots? visited Westside and th# 3 foot Shs.yfj ,^X0 was gett.u\ bolter irashed© (more© nr-:t month)

RHSSD #031 Dec 1959

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Pacific Southwest Railway Museum

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