a allowed over-y J 8 i P i 8 Upstairs in the Safety Room of the Santa Fo Railway Station5 Kettner and Broadway^ San Diego* Calif* THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OF THE RAILWAY HISTORICAL SOCIETY OF* SAN DIEGOIne* HILL BE HELD ON THE FIRST MONDAY OF MAY* ?s3O PM there j if you want prise sb or old MEETING WILL START PROMPTLY AT 7:30 PoMo - PROGRAM WILL START AT 8:15 PoMo ® Refreshments Mil be serveds some nice prise for the lucky ticket holder*co000PLUS®®® a door prise for some lucky member or guestooooobe a. chance at the LUWJ This is 3rd V*P* Earle SwainsBs first official program**.*all we can say is be- there*- it will be a very entertaining evening, local in every way, with film and guest speaker* YOU.DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS MEETING, BE THERE, BRING YOUR FRIENDS, we promise an entertaining evening, good refreshments, prizes, plenty of neighborly visiting time, and not to late In the evening de° parture time for home* We rolled north from San Diego and g made our first stop for additional pas=>I aeagers at Del Mar, then a wild fast run through Encinitas, Leucadia and on » through Carlsbad* At Oceanside we took !j the secondary main and made a meet with! southbound San Diegan #72, and as #?2 | departed we took on more passengers* A fast ride from Oceanside to San Onofre, then a slow ride along the San Clemente beach area, this s “ one a pleasant view of the very blue ocean and allowed northbound San Dieganj #73 to overtake and pass us at Capist= rano Beach* After the pass, we had a slow running photo stop at San Juan Cap istrano* Then more fast running to our next passenger stop at Santa Ana* From Santa Ana we rolled on toward Los Angeles for what well may be a 1st in rail trips, through the great city of Los Angeles with no stop at famous Union Terminal* (continued on page 2) SUNDAY, APRIL 23rd—ABOARD OUR OWN II SPECIAL SANTA FE TRAIN, "The San Beffi= ardino Orange Show Special” 8:00 A*M* ;j S®i®l®ER ? the Orange Show Special run as planned, things looked a little ■ poorly on Wednesday but by Sunday A*M*,i the train was standing in the San Diego depot ready to depart* Locomotive 340 one of the three unit A°B=B passenger jobs on the head end, followed by one of the big heavy weight lounge cars,- a streamlined light weight baggage car with open doors,(fenced) three heavy weight coaches with modem seats and air conditioning, the big lunch counter! f’Del Mar Snack Car", three more of the g big coaches and bringing up the rear our train****the popular onen end, faithful OBSERVATION GAR* did items to the society add« $ the home of th© editor® g T.r Qi-.. «q» n-tcvCTA 17. finl “ Corky and Barbara Thmson=>Editors Orange Show- continued from page 1< NEWS LE.ES E.R Official J^SI^cat£on“^“th© RHSofS.D (Views expressed in the Newsletter are not necessarily those of the Societyo) Send news f' ress or to the home of th® 320U McGraw &co, Af. uua. Rio Grand2 Burlings* or Santa Fo wins controlo We stuck our necks out and mentioned that it appeared that Santa Fe control., or Great Northern, or Rio Grande«?Biwlingtcn might be a better solution then that of S0P, In the MarclFXssuo’of the News letter we ran a little story about the pro- posed morger of Western Pacific and SoPp or AT&SF»,-»».sseveral members had been needling ua about not having ever mentioned merger battle e. several rather thrown our way in regards to what is to happen to G ton, UoPos if So? WESTERN PACIFIC SOUTHERN PACIF r-_>y ?A 7 V? ''^7^XlR£tCOrZK>^3 X X*'-’.S7W-» f RAILWAY HISTORICAL SOCIETY OF SAN DIEGO® Inco Post Office Box 935115 San Diogo % California ““W ’WISE ' WfOif PACIFIC After passing Hobart Yard and crossing th© LaAo River® we made a stop near the coach yards to change ; crews0 This was a novel stop as it j doesn°t happen often on fan trips® not when you ar© only a few hours outo In this case it was necessary g in order to keep th© 16 hour ci’ow j law from halting our train lator in § th© day as the crew had come on duty] early in th© AoM* and would never jj make it back in time© ij Having changed crews3 we eased up to Mission Tower for ol©arance up? the river and onto the Pasadena lin^ to San Bernardino© We clanked acs?.©ss| the terminal lines of U,PO and SO?O3? once again crossed the big wide LOAS River bed and proceeded up the line for a photo stop in th© Arroyo Seco© Our train stopped and then backed across the high stool bridge9 then came across for the camera fans® a s grand sight even with a dieselHS Onward® through Pasadena and to our special stop at Glendora to pick up th© Orang© Show Queen© oo ©but® at Glendora-) no queen® no nobody at all5 just a closed station® someone must have goofed© The rail nfreeway3' from there to San Bernardino® through Fontana and Rialto like the west wind© (continued on page 3) Here then is the other side of the story as presented by S©?o SOUTHERN PACIFIC control of the Western Pacific would offer many ways to cut costs® improve service through co-ordination of the two roads© S<>PO states that thsir control of W«PO will guarantee competitive rail service to the area served© They offer Santa Fa t.i’ackag® rights over th® Western Pacific between Stockton and Bi®bero (Bieber is the present W0P0 connection with th® Great Northern) So?s would would be offered the right to serve industries now or hereafter located in tnxs area* and to interchange cars d?.r©otly with G-aNs at Bieber and so eoatinue its Cali?03?hia«»Pacific Nox-bh- west business in competition with the ScT’thes’.n Pe.oific» So/?o has proposed an interchange at Yuba city between S«PO and Sacramento Northern which would speed u» service isi and ou.t of Yuba Sityo SeP„ would guarantee for thia area, maintenance of all WaP<, routes, gate^ ways, interchange points and traffic, arrangements, including the Bieber route and th® Overland routeo S«P. dossn’t feel that Santa Fe con trol would allow freedom of traffic to Salt Lake City and the U.PO# Rio Grande,,(also Rock Island Ss Burlington) •continued on page 3) 'J Oo Grange Show- continued from 2- in n Diego* ino - PAGE III - flaoBssMBEssa ORANGE EMPIRE TROLIEY. MUSEUM i| wn!r«ile=jmLM»-c-^e.ru«.<73it^c»r^wtxcr'««-'*=3='^^**-T-= ardino Sunday?? (while awaiting our train departure) A Santa Fe freight headed up the hill with 17 Diesels on the head endP and all kinds too© There: were 5 of the big low nose 21^00 HP? and an assortment of geeps and cabs* • ”B5’ units and what have you© 5 ©anyway * seventeen units in allo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx san diego cpMeYRAimYjwsEUM z\s reported in th© latest issue of th© "Dispatcher®.. .we now have _ another group in San Diego# Th© San Diego County Railway Museum. Ths naw group was formed recently with Lyl© Judd as President# Eric Sand« ex»s as Secretary and Charles Gerdes as Troasursr® Purpose of the now group*®c»ONE THING#an operating type museum# in the San Diego area.; This is a proposed musouui at the moment# until suitable land is located* This has been a prob lem faced by th© society for- several years# the new group hopes to solve it soon with a rausersra open to all for the preservation of .railway equipment® Plans are for some operating tracks strsetaar. steam or gasoline power# whatever is available* The museum will welcome equipment privately owned# thus offering the individual a place to park his operating or non-operating railway car or equipment, This* of fer The car was held in SOD, all night and coupled to the special when it arrived early Sunday morning® RHSofSD finally got the open endor platform observation for a trip out of San Diego?8 ORANGE EMPIRE TROLLEY MUSEUM# Box 501 Perris# California®®ao♦send all your donations to this address for the aid of the naw purchases being made by the 0®E®T® from" PoEtt $ ft ft ft ft $ ft ft ft ft GOLDEN WST RAIIFANS®®®®?an a special from L,Ae to the mission at San Juan Capistrano# thence to San Diego for Harbor- and Zoo tours® Nice big train of Chicago type chair cars (stream'’ lined light weight) open door baggage cars and the open end observation® The train returned to L®A., without ths observation car£S§' RESofSD took posesslon of the ear# it was turned on tha turntable down at 22nd Street yard opposite the S®De&A.E® yards® Members Earle & Anida Swain® had just completed decorations and ttvsteg and Barbara Thomson and little David joined them for a turn on the table® good to the RHSofSD also# for any new items the society may buy or acquire and has no whore to place them® A13- present members of the S,D®C®ROM are members of RIIS of SD# as will many •more probably be® It is hoped that the two organisations will be able to work together and through joint efforts# finally realise a long awaited goal# a museum site# with operation® Other then the streetcar # 1?1 at Perris# RHSofSD has all stationary exhibits# three being at the fair- grounds# others at present homolGSs® Mors news of the new group will ba coming in oach issue of th© Newsletter® I Ths S®D,C,Ry,K® has been formed for one. thing only* MUSEUM LAND AMD THE OPERATION OF RAILWAY EQUIPMENT®®®®®, No fancy meetings, trips# etc®# just a working museum for all persons that erne interested® This is not a group formed to compete with RHSofSD or the 0»E»T® at Perris, bi’t to work together in order to savo everything worth the effort®»®»support the new groups 81 E X X K X X X X X X X X X X X X X X Next S»D®C.F.y.M® meeting: May 21st I '. ?:30?M Sal-boa. Park Organ Pavilion® meeting Just a*rem5n3er«*next RHSofSD gat together is on Monday, May 1 « 7:30pm in the Santa Fo depot. San Diego© Good entertainment^ BE THERE© stopped 25 mino at Harvey Houses along the Santa Fe0 The sleeper and the chair car from Dallas, TsXo to Los Angelos, which is moved on the SOFO Chiefs #1 from Clov is, NoMojj are now being carried thru to Barstow, instead of being switched to the Grand Canyon Ltd© at Winslow© This gives the passengers time for bre akfast before the Grand Canyon arrives, reducing the rush in limited facilities East bound #12l| stops at Barstow for supper, these arrangements are planned only for the season of low travel den sity© (RoVo Dodge) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _ . experimenting with a riioa— SGop in the Grand Canyon train schedules© The diner of #123, westward from Chicago, is cut out at Winslow© A longer stop is made at Barstow, pass engers get breakfast in the cafeteria, Casa del Desierto© This is not operate ed by Fred Harvey but is reminiscent of the ,3good old days” when most trains «SA^sx=os=rii-i-.tiS:^=3-^.'X.UL.-4j Saturday axternoons at the park ing lot next to Star Machine Works, Ljlo Tenth Avo*, San Diogo- member Bill Morrison is in charge of restoration© WORK,.FAgTy There will be more painters^noedod at the fairgrounds on old IO/4© Members Tommy Mann, Earle Swain©, Rex Cut tell and Bob Weaver got the job off to a good start on Sat© April 15th but there is still several days work to got the engine looking like now again© Future painting will be done on Saturday- May 6, 13 & 20© Check with Tommy Mann« BEFORE GOING OUT TO WORK© BR-3^8824 (thero may be date changes) SHADES OF T SOUND FOR SIGHT??? Member Fred Ticknor has one of’^TKe^Mobile Fidelity raS.1® x’oad sound records, in StereoOo©ooo no phongraph to play it on, SO- who is interested in a trade? The stereo RR recording for a roll of 8 mm movie film© FRED TICKNOR, 6922/Adams, La Mesa, mail address: Box 397© (HO-6-OI1O6) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Editors note: Frod- if you get no offer I will swap with you© Corky xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Notices posted in the ears ox^tTSe Olympian Hiawatha that the service will be discontinued four mths© after Jan© 8, 1961, or May 8, unless an additional ruling of IoC©C© prevents© Berths in the Touralux Sleeper can be obtained on coach tickets© The travel out of Seattle was light but the sleep er was well filled the second night© Meal coupons can be purchased in ad vance© $13©00 worth for $8o70o (R«V© Dodge) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx NEXT S©D© COUNTS Ry MQSEUM MEETIjyG—«« x x x x x x x x x x x x 2: x x x FAIRGROUNDS It ivill not be long now- another county xaxr is du© to start on June 30th© ©o©plan now to help in staffing the coach, engine and street car© Passes will be issued to all mem bers that help out© We hope to have the exhibits open every day, this re quires many members sharing the work© 3 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx LIVE STEAMERS The Los Angeles Live Steamerss Iko0 will hold their ann° iversray run on Saturday and Sunday MiY 6 & 7^ 1961 at their tracks near Travel Town in Griffith Parko They operate on tracks for throo different scalesa steam engines pulling tz'ains large enough for people to rideo These live steamer meets are quite interest^ ing and much fun., there are usually many very fine steam locomotives run« ning, from old timers to modern SOPO Daylight typeso xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx o»: .3 CALIFORNIA SOUTHERN EXPRESS C5 -er r xx* *c - c’^iXiA-rC’.ra'c-^* pagiTs Several trips are planned on popular all steam SIERRA® first is the big PoRoSo trip out of Los Angeles: nSAerya Classic** leaves LOA„ Fri day evening, May 5th on special Santa Fe train for trip through the San Joaquin Valley to Oakdale, steam train on the Sierra RR all day Saturdayt turn to L0Ao arriving Sunday afternoon after trip ovex* Tehachapi Loop and Cajon Paa8«»»«ticket8 and informatlon from PACIFIC RAILROAD SOCIETY, Inc©, P0O0 Box 527% Metropolitan Station, Los Angeles Califomiav —"Sherpa,x

RHSSD #047 May 1961

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Pacific Southwest Railway Museum

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