R A I L A Y K I S T 0 R I C A L SOCIETY OF SAN DIES 0 NEWSLETTER NUMBER NINE » I960 SEPTEMBER I960 TWO TRIPS IN OCTOBERoooooo The RHSofSD will operate TWO trips In October® one for members only and the second and larger for the members and general public© Excursion Director Wally DufcLie hat announced the date for the private trip for members only to visit the PIONEER MILL RAILROAD® owned and operated by Robert Day ©f Brentwood Hills© This is a qua.! nt 2^ foot gauge steam railroad on a hillside setting© It is fully eq- ■..tped with engine house® depot® water tank and loop® point to point operate : : on© This is a mu&t for those that have never been there before and for the members that* made the trip a. couple of years ago* 1 am sure they are all ready? r,o return for more of that live 3team •! action of the little saddle tanker as ? it rambles arounf the hills© As if it isn’t enough to go ride steam on a 2g foot gauge augar cane ra.iIroad* © o o o © © we depart the wonderful hospitality of Mr© Day shortly after lunch time and bead over to San. Gabriel to a slightly larger gauge® 3 foot to be exact© Yes— none other then the .famous GRIZZLY FLATS RAILROAD of owner Ward Kimball© We will spend the remainder of the day riding behind his little 3 foot gauge saddle tank engine® on hand for pic ture taking will be the larger engine® s 2-6-0 the Emma Nevada.® a caboose® coach® old time depot with many fine bits of history Inside® water tank® olc fashioned windmill® etc© These two steam railroads are worth seeing* so plan now to attend©©©©©© MEMBERS OF RoHoSoOfSoDo ONLY® wwa go by charter bus from San Diego with a atop at Oceanside or any other points 1 so pick up additional members© The faro is SfUoSO P©*8 person® no half faresiSowed® SUNDAY, OCTOBER 16.. 1960^ ^urn -he page for news of the big •’alko trip® via UNION PACIFIC TRAIN i'nd charter busses» RnHoSoOfSoD, MEETING DATE,„ NOTICEo ooNOTICEo o»,NOTICE,o0 o» o » » NOT THE FIRST MONDAY OF SEPTEMBER- I The regular meeting of RHSofSD will be held on the SECOND Monday of the month duo to the Labor Day weekend* MEgTING, NIGHT- MONDAY* SEPT., 12th. B:0’0 PM in the Safety Room of the Santa Fe depot® San Diego® California© * ^.ii.OGRAM After a. abort business meet- I Cng* 3rd VP Eric Sanders will present j :another interesting program©© © © © © o ’’RAILROADING DOWN MEXICO WAY” In words ; and film® presented by our own good members® ROY cc DAISY MILLER© Thi£ is a program made up of films and the many things the Miller’s discovered on their recent wanderings through the steam haunts of Mexico© This should be j 100% steam® of all sizes and types© Our usual raffle® refreshments and a change to meet old friends©© c ©members ’• are urged to bring guests* I Remember the dates MONDAY® SEPT© 12th©? ...................-ii.r-n-n. I ||,|» ■» I .11 . .1 hi.i.i.i.mi .. ..... ....... . ...... •'• AUGUST .MEETING A WINNERo © 0 0 o . For those of you that were not able to attend the August meetings we can only say we are sorry© The program was one of the best ever presented to the RHSofSD© Many thanks to member Jerry MacMullen for a very warm and entertaining evening and very educational too<> ’’Inland Steamers of California” proved to be an outstanding program® about boats Steam engines will make their wav back in September on tracks rather thf> water,, © © © ©Monday9 Sept o 12th © I9601 RAIL W AX’ HISTORICAL S 0 C I E T Y 0 F S A N D^I E.,G,On NEWSLETTER NUMBER NINE PAGEmr *T^r-rA-e«crM--»*r«'ra^-TC.*r»a^«fc» arrive Yermo at 1:15 P©M© From the Yermo U©P© depot, busses will take the group directly to Calico for at least 3 hours visit of this wonderful old mining town© Ride the old raining train, tour a real mins, see the many sights of Calico© There are good eats available too, Just as at the famous Knott’s Berry Fam© Departure time is scheduled for 5^00 P©M© from Yermo, arriving Riverside at 8:20 P©M©, East Los Angeles at 9sl5 PoMo (busies returning to San Diego will arrive back in San Dieg© at various times, allow about 2| to 3 hours for the bus trip home© There is at present a photo stop planned in Cajon Pass, more information will be available on the brochureo For those wishing to do so, drive to East Los Angeles or Riverside in your own auto, or plan for several to ’’pool" ths ride to meet the train, this can result In a cash savings and w hops will encourage mors people to make the trip© This Is a rather expensive excursion but the distance involved and the problems involved cause it to be ©ostlyoooooostart saving now, or better yet, order your tickets now, this will be a dan-dan dandy of a trip and we went to great lengths to go via UNION PACIFIC, for a change'in color and a ride on a progressive passenger carrying railroad©©©©©be aboard the "CALICO GHOST TOWN SPECIAL" on Sunday, October 30th, the day before Halloween, there could be no better date to visit a real ghost townH? If you can’t gOooootell your friends about it, lets have a sell out-Hi BROCHURES WITH COMPLETE INFORMATION WILL BE MAILED SOON. WHAT ARE YOU WATTING FOR, ORDER YOUR TICKETS NOW AND BEAT THE RUSH, FOR TICKET INFORMATION OR RE SERVATIONS: write- RHSofSD, P©0© Box 935'1, San Diego 9S California© NEXT SPRING: ANOTHER BIG SANTA FE TRIP, but go Union Pacific on I.O/3O/6O HS Work dates on streetoai* # 5k~~—’ Saturday, Sept© 3rd and 17 th afternoons© newsletter \rr™n^5 ^storical society of-wwausTTER NUMBER NINE PAGE TWO-A SAN DIEGO SEPTEMBER, I960 Railway Historical Society PoOo Box 935ift San Diago newsletter OX S o D o j J. X)-Q o California 11 OLD 5V1 ooooo Have you been down to see what you can do to help x^estore the old streetcar number 54????? First and Third Saturday afternoons m0Qt ine aairoa, soclecy news itemsp excursion noticesp items of general interest re garding railroading in the southwest United States© Send news items to Corky Thomson,) Edo 320L| McGraw StO£> San Diego 1?s Calif© Items must reach the editor not later then the 20th of each month© XTC.H*rro-canss—•-»—"Tr-f —-.-I—I-.--—- LIVE STEAMERS MEET©©©©©*© Members of RHSofSD I’econtly drove north to Santa Barbara and visited the large l|ri scale(7in gauge} live steam railroad of Mr© Seymour Johnson© Those attending the live steam get together were- President Tommy Mann.P Secretary Barbara Thomson,) Corres© See© Corky Thoma on Historian Dick Pennick and member Charles Underhill© Mr© J'ohnson operates the GOLETA VAL LEY RAILROAD around his beautiful ea« tafce© Trackage wanders through a beaut iful garden^ through lemon groves and over several trestles9 a man made strea: with lar^e irrigation pump to return the water running through the creek bed through the grounds5 adds to the effect of this large rambling railroad□ The Goleta Ealley RR vias in the pro cess of their annual open hoyse to in cited 1|M live steam enthusiasts© Many locomotives were in operation on a reg ular scheduleo The system forms two large loops and a long stem to a dead end at what the railroad calls Goleta© At this point there is a turntable to change direction of the engines© You reach Goleta by one wayp by rail throu gh a long tunnel© All operations are controled by walkie-talkie radio from the chief dispatcher to the various stations and switches© continued in next column-* have been set up as an experiment to see if definite work dates will help bring the workers out© Thia does not stop you from going down to the car on any Saturday or SundayD it is just a set work date for the majority to go all at once© If you can make it on other dates3 please do ao© If you want any information* you can usually find Bill Morrison at the car on Saturday afternoonsp or in the Star Machine Works at l|18 Tenth Aveo Regular Saturday afternoon working dates for September are the 3rd & 17th© LIVE STEAMERS-contlnuedo © © ©o When there are ten to twelve short trains iniming* they run Ln sections in order to make moots© On hand for the activities were Mr© Johnson’s big 4®8«=>4i) a beautiful “Daylight” Ij-S-Lj from LoAop a 4^6-2* 4-4-2 S©Po Atlantic? a 4-6-2 from the S0Fo bay area^ many very fine little old timers of the 4«4«O wheel arrangment find a very neat Rio Grande 4-6-0 Ten Wheeler., a very fl fine running Heisoler and a live steam model of th© DeWitt Clinton© While in Santa Barbara overnight., our President;, Tommy Mann and Dick Pennick and Charles Underhill want foraging on S0P0 property© They discoverod a used hand car in a scrap pile and inquired as to the possibility of the RHSofSD becoming the owner© The section fore man did soma phoning but being on the weekend could not locate anyone with higher authority to give it away© So Tommy told him to quit phoning and he asked if it would be missed if it were to disappear© The track foreman said he guessed no one would miss it as it had no longer been needed©©oooooSO-- Tommy being up there in his little red Corvairooooocontinued on page TWO-B ! (OVER) R \ I L W A Y H I S I 0 R I C A L S 0 G I E T Y •■SUTTER NUMBER NINE PAGE TWO’B LIVE STEAMERSo ©oo©Continued from 2-A* 0 F S A M D I E G o SEPTEMBER* i960 with a car load of riders* no place to put a big bulky three wheeler hand up® orated standard gauge railroad car© On top of the hand ear* we were offered many lengths of rail* If m had some way to transport ito We donut no if it is still there* but there were some 10 lengths of good rail©©o©you ORANGE EM- FIRE TROLLEY members might look into it and go haul it to Perris© The rail waa zenith of the Santa Barbara depot and near some section houses© On Sunday* at the Seymour Johnson« Geleta Valley RR steam activities* oui* bey Tommy singled Corky and Barbara out for a small hauling job to San Diego® YEP- the Mercury station wagon* with only two people was just ideal for a trucking job of one full sized railway hand car© It made a rare looking load* ’ a sleek black 960 Mercury Colony Park station wagon©©©o©with a big dirty old hand car in the back!!SO By folding the rciar seat down end making a work bed of all space behind the drivers seat* everything fir in real nice© The out® rigger* third wheal assembly was taken off in order to fit it in© The hand car needs a little repair on some of the wood parts but is in operating ahape© Mrs© Mann xia© quite pleased to have some more railroad nJUHKM dropped La her roee garden© She just recently waa able to dispose of the four wheels and axles that rested in the roses for so many months awaiting construction of trucks for old 5fyoooo<>now it is a neat old ORANGE hand car* the first actual rolling stock of the RHSofSDHS TRA ILER ROUNDUP AT DEL MA Ro o © © ■?> © There will be a convention of trail- 0F& at the fairgrounds on the weekend of OCTOBER 1st & 2nd© The RHSofSD and the PoBo Model RR Club will hold an open house for some 600 visitors© If you can help prepare the equipment ox* help run the exhibits for the afternoon of. Saturday* October 1st* please con® tact Tommy Mann or 9Mac0 McCleary and let them know Ghat you can help© The trailer group will have free time from 1^00 P©M© to L» *30 P©M©* we wish to open PCC 528* engine LOq. and car 050 at least from 1 to I4 pm© The PoBo HO layout will be in operation also during those hours so the crowd will Mavo ample time without rushing* to see everythingo Saturday* 0cto 1st ® 1:00pm to :30pm WELCOME TO THE FOLLOWING NEW MEMBERS*- (add to your membership rostex4) Joseph Zara* 113)4 Pacific Beach .D^os SJ)0 9 (a rexiewal}® William H© Owen^* 10707 Jamaoha Blvd©* SP 10Spring Valley* Calif© ® Doris Mo Bright2222 Upas St0* 3©Do l| ® James Ro Gilhula* 3655 Jewell Stof, S0D0 9 ® Paul Whitehea- 12U5 27th St©* Sc.Do 2 ® Elard G© Mock* 1’18 10th Aw©* S0D0 1 ® Emma Bo Welker* 1131 Marline Ave©* El Cajon* Calif* - Robert Bo Hayes* 2775 Luna Ave0* S0D©17- Jeff is K© Cowin* 1232 Hygeia Ave0^ Enc® initas* Califo ® Alfonso Haro9 25)46 ¥v*ack is laid and wire strung© 0oEoTo •'.a building switches for the yards in ?;-^nly of things to do at 00EoTo STEAM RETURNS TO THE STREETS OF SODC » A little standard gauge saddle tank locomotive* Long a land mark in L0Ao at a junk yard on Alameda St©* has now been moved to National City0 The steamer was quite a’ sight as it wat. brticked through San Diego'on a flat bed trucko local. TV gave it plenty of 0overage and now we have a steamer to ; look at in NoCc lc # cl de© to the fence I for EWSLETT’4 HISTORICAL society - -----NUMBER NINE page three OP SAN DIEGO SEPTEMBER;, I960 ■‘■HE CARLSBAD DEPOT,o AX7AO0OOOOO th- l'aefe, ’s a Plan under way to save I Un 2ar,^sbad depot, the Carlsbad C^atn- Twn> om.£?mm«rCQ has organized the "SAVE P EHE STATION" plano t-- ■ ■OWn Dodge recently went to | ^•^l^bad to give a talk to the Rotary S Club., bore from the Rotary Rumbles is al report on his talks The introduction of Diok Dodge III I oy Buzz?, wag a f ine example of good ro« ! porting© With only a brief time to vis- I it with the speaker before presenting j him* he was able to whet our interest I for the program© The history of the 3 continental railroads> the bitter stru® j ggle between the Big Four arid small oomJ panicsj the dramatic loss of San Diogo i as a terminal for transcontinental sex*® vice when the roundhouse and other equ® I ,ipment were moved to San Bernardino^ alM took on new interest as Mr© Dodge spoke©* We never knew that National City had once been a terminal foi" a transeontin® ! ental railroad©oo The inclusion of our ■ legacy in those early days of excursions- to the new resort and watering place5 Carlsbad* the rise and fall of our two ? hotels and the progress from Frazier0s =j Station to Carlsbad^ California & was evidence of the research and preparation] this modest and kindly man gave in brings ging this evening of rich entertainment j| to us© If Carlsbad0s future is in doubt J we may still live the robust reward of her past© Dick Dodge deserves a round of thanks from the RHSofSD0 it is people like Mr© Dodge that are the real back bone of our organization© Getting out end giving talks9 show® [j ing slides and movies of our activities <>k searching into the past history of the li great southwest for the truth and how it all began© © © © ©Dick Dodge,, Eric Sand® I ers5 Doug Duncan and several others in | our group are to be highly praised for I -heir individual efforts toward this rr QB 1 o Some of us raay not know all there • of the past history of San Diego and p ’ surrounding areap but we can do our | NEWS ITEMS©©©op© Well# Eric Sanders just about did ua in for taking the glory of all the latest news items in the back portion of the latest DISPATCHER© The SOUTHWEST NEWS ROUNDUP just about covered all the news items so carefully saved for this issue of the Newsletter©©o©©so read your latest issue of the Dispatcher& and a dandy issue it is© Locomotives and Cars of the SD&AEfl Issue //J2 was a little late getting out but it la very well done and covers a long awaited aubject^ the locomotives of the SD&AE© The news items ar® worth reading tooP since we don°t have to print them in the Newsletter this monthJJS nINTERURBANS TO THE SEA” A Labor Day Picnic Excursion©©©©©© MONDAY© SEPTEMBER pth* I960 Ride the big red cars from Los Angeles to Long Beachfl enjoy a sightseeing boat z*lde around the harbor^ and a PICNIC IN THE PARK© Golden West Railfans offers this wonderful day of electele railway train ridings boat trip and a picnic in the park,, LEAVE LOA© 9?00 A©M© RETURN .L©A© l|s30 P©M© M^io^Segt© £th Golden West Ra Ilf ana* 2*15 Wo FTfTh7 Room 323s Los Angelas 13® California© FARES: $5©00 per person?) everything© CONTINUED FROM COLUMN ONE©©©©©© best to keep some record of recent history in and ai’ound San Diego© Do you realize how rapidly things are changing? Just since the days of our fine streetcar service?) the loss of passenger trains on the S©Do&A©Eo^ the change over to diesels on both of the rail lines into San Diego© Lets keep taking pictures and making notes9 in just a few years these items will be of great value to the future generation- of San Diego© We may not like the diesel today<5 but it is fast becoming part of our San Diego history fo:r tomorrow© RAILWAY HISTORICAL SOCIETY OF S ANDI EGO — —— — TRAIN TRAVEL THROUGH NEW MEXIC00Oooo Travelers are now able to Identify some of the state°s interesting land® marks from the train window by means of large signs which Santa Fe Ry., has er ected along the right-of®way© Sign panels 12 feet high by 10 feet wide, set in a rustic log frame four feet a- bove the ground bearing lax^ge, quickly readable letters, tell the traveler when he is passing the famed Wooten Ranch, when he is entering Raton Pass© Other points marked are the Starvation. Peak5 Pecos Ruins, Santo Domingo Pueb lo, San Felipe Pueblo and-Black Mesa, Sandia Pueblo, and the Continental Div ide© The signs have been built in the Santa Fe°s shops at Albuquerque and er ected by the railroad0a bridge gangs at the various locations© '' SFe Mago THOSE .DISMAL DISEASALS©o© © © © Or are they? We all loved the steam locomotive, there is no denying that, BUT©©©© the diesel is here and it looks like it ad’ll be around for a while© SO- look the monsters over, they are locomotives even though the are not steamers© There is quite a difference in the various models and builders of the diesel engine of today, paint and the methods of stripping make quite a big change in the looks of two of the same breed© Ever listen to them real close, they all sound different, at night you can pick out the chant of an Alco ox- the hum of an EOM©DO for many miles© The big EoMoDo (G©M©) diesels: even have a sound all their own, from F-7 to the GP-9, air horns vary too© You can actually tell the difference at night when an incoming Santa Fe freight is coming, as to the power-, a i| or 5 unit cab unit sounds different then hood units, the new 21|00 HP low hood units have their own roar too© Next time you see a diesel, take a second look and listen, it might prove interesting to you© SANTA FE WELDED RAIL© o © o © o © As mentioned In issue 32 of the Dispatcher, Santa Fe made rail history on July 6 th xefore the new line is finished, But •hen it is finished9 it will be posted ;c? speeds of 90 miles an hour fox* pas® monger trains? 60 miles for freighto traffic control system will enable faster passenger trains to overtake the ^ pasis -no return, to their original track with- cut losing speed, SFe Mag, RHSofSD ACTIVITIES, , ,,. , o On Sunday« July 3'ist the Golden jest Railfans sponsored a Santa Fe trip from LoAo to San Diego to visit our famous sooo /Is an added attrcation5 the jpeci&l train made a stop on the wye at Jel Mar allowing the 300 excursionists a visit to th© RHSofSD streetcar #528 $ engine 101s. and observation oar TrQ&Oo Also taking paxht in the fecial vl&it was the large HO train exhibit of th© Facific Beach Model RR Club* where the members had the trains in full operas tion for an hour for the visitors. This turned out to be a very well run open house of the two organizations£ Golden. Went Railfans officials were vary pleased with the results of the and hope to repeat it on future :;rXps to San Diogo, Thanks to the members that ©leaned ixp the exhibits and manned them. MORE RIIS of SD DOINGS,o,oo. On Monday evening* August 8th* the RHSofSD tried something a little differentc The Adam® Theatre was ours .Cor the evening and a full screen ©bowing of railroad films was shown. This was en expe rimexit bra instore^ ed by VP Jack Stodelle* souvenir tick ets were sold on a donation basis at $lo00 fox’ adults* 50/ for kids. The theatre was filled to reasonable cap« acity* without making anyone sit to far down front. Two full length movies with lots of railroading and several shox^t sub® ^ects* including the RHSofSD film., ’Carriso Goi’ge the Magnificent’1 were ahcwHo This proved to be such a success that there will be another evening of railroad movies sometime this fall or dicing the winter, Full screen viewing of any rail road films is by far batter then, the small ’’home” type screen at meetings;, many comer©ial color films put out by the railroads have been suggested for full screen showing* we also have mor© old black and white movies for the future o Oux? flr&t attempt was a good one so the??e will be moreo Thanks to Jack Stodelle for putting on this grand evening of railroading, Trafesuror Fred Finke is pleaood too* as the effort netted the RHSofSD a ni©e little donation to the Restoration Fund© THOSE CRAZY SANTA FE DIESELSoooo They finally did it on the AT&SF* mix th© pother up like crazy. Did you see th© 5 ?,AM units the night of the last rueatlngp or many times since. The f,A” unit F«7fts quite often have a "Geep1' sandwiched in too. Then the finally* the San Diegan ^?6 arrived with an nAsc- «B^KA”«,lBh«,,A,i freight unit one nights Number 71 d@pax»ted the next morning with a.lx cars and the freight A^B^A^B^A unit on the head end. SUNDAY? OCT, 16^ I960 R A I L W A Y H I S T 0 R I CAL SOCIETY 0 F NEWSLETTER NUMBER NINE RAGE SIX SAN DIEGO SEPTEMBER, I960 SANTA FE 2L|00 HP "Super Geons" have been mere and more frequently used on the San Diego Surf Line freight*trainso Both the old black paint scheme and the new blue and yellow with the HUGE SANTA FE on the side o f the hood© It Is interesting to note that with all the power these big massive hood units pack, the little old Sorrento**Miramar grade tells its tale when freight tannage hits that few miles of steep twisting line© Recently a GP--9 was seen. dashing out the line from San Diego light, not at the time of day one would normally expect a freight so it was assumed the San Diegan was probably coming down with a unit or two out of service- requiring a helper at Sorrento© Not so, four of the big new low hood geepa wore in need of an added boost up the nasty little Sorrento hill© At 2,lj00 horse-power each, 9,600 HP plus the GP-9 to add 1,750 HP or a total of 11,35-0 horse-power 2H2 Inoidently, the new geeps were all in the new blue and yellow, also recently on this line, the geep #2671 in the new colors© Snnta Fe #51 the original big "Aleo“- of- the fleet of 3 unit A-B-A 6,000 HP passenger units is again exclusively handling the Del Mar race trains, other then the second train, on Saturday© #51 has been, converted to G©No diesels© WORK PARTY DATES ON OUR RESTORATION JOB OF STREETCAR 5^00000000 The first and third SATURDAY of the raonthooooooo Saturday, Sept© 3rd and 17th, afternoons© PLACE: Next door to the Star Machine Works, I4I8 Tenth St© RAILWAY HISTORICAL SOCIETY OF SAN DIEGO, INCORPORATED Next meeting dates MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 12th, I960 - 8:00 P©M© Safety Room, Santa Fe Depot, San Diego, Calif© PROGRAM: "RAILROADING DOWN MEXICO WAY” by Roy & Daisy Miller© The NEWSLETTER RAILWAY HISTORICAL SOCIETY OF SAN DIEGO, INCO P0O0 Box 9351 San Diego 9, California RETURN POSTAGE GUARANTEED

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